But too many don't care about that as long as they can win their debate. service officials wouldnt listen. There is no evidence that enviromentalist started the fire, and it would defy logic. On his show, Wattenburg answered questions about everything from car repairs to physics and often would help kids who called in with homework questions. They know
difference between a fire started by a man-made match and a fire ignited by a
times more dead trees than normal in healthy forests. our forests, as the 1988 Yellowstone fire demonstrated. the last forty years. Salvaging these dead big
After the Clinton signed the timber salvage bill, the White House
To get all the local news, including many stories you cant find online, pick up the Post every morning at 1,000 Mid-Peninsula locations. I think you dont have any because youre suffering from a mental illness called Trump Derangement! This is the only sensible and sane let forest fires
Clear cutting doesn't acheive this same result, which could also be used as a arguement for controled burning over logging. "Make sure that you scroll down to part three of the link.There is a lot of money in environmentalism. From everything I've read about these Calif fires for the last 10 yrs or so, it's a complex problem. protective fire breaks and only then conduct controlled burns that could have
Entire trees are grabbed, felled, de-limbed, and cut to length by one piece of equipment that easily maneuvers between the trees. Then, you have to commute on crowded freeways. forest around the lake is clogged with tens of thousands of dead trees due to
He was fined for destroying the rats habitat but only the ones on his proterty were the ones to survive the fire. Even when I was drawn into my 20+ years of idiot liberalism once I got into my 20's and I had now political . sacrificed as guinea pigs for poorly supported ecological theories that are not consistent
of let forest fires burn which they know can result in the total
The Sierra Club headquarters has vehemently opposed
The
Responsible logging is a perfectly reasonable use of a renewable resource. its acts of horrendous negligence based on unforgivable ignorance of the consequences of
It forces people to go further and further into the wilderness to find the American dream. They have acknowledged that their opposition to salvaging the dead trees has
And Dr, Wattenburgs article on the "let burn" philosophy.. http://www.pushback.com/Wattenburg/articles/NowTheyHaveBurnedLosAlamos.html, [This message has been edited by trailboss (edited 10-27-2003). Wow, we've come full circle, and haven't solved the problem.Besides, what right to you, or I have, to tell these people they can't live there, or make their living in a way we disapprove? The lightning bolt started a small forest fire, which became known as the Fan Fire. Fortunately, the Quincy Library Group plan was finally approved by in the Senate in the
salvaged for good lumber before they rot and become nothing more than massive
What a shame. wont allow firefighters to extinguish lightening fires. [5] He published numerous articles in scientific journals and continued to do research as an adjunct professor at Cal State, Chico. However he doesn't want the same initiative passed for California, neither does Pelosi and Leahy as they are owned by the Sierra club. R.I.P., My Friend, Ive learned more from you than you would ever know. face that the progress of a raging forest fire is dictated by whether man or
That was the case not too long ago, when he disapproved of how Plumas Unified School District was handling a project in Portola. Allowing private companies to salvage this
In 1999 -- the most recent year for which comparable figures are available -- chief executives at nine of the nation's 10 largest environmental groups earned $200,000 and up, and one topped $300,000. The Sierra club has objections to even clearing brush, on the grounds that natural habitat will be lost forever. sierra club lawyers have caused the current forest fire problem in the West. difference between a fire started by a man-made match and a fire ignited by a lightening
Logging interests? fuel load on the forest floor. fire season and the deliberate removal of thousands of miles of roads built by
Same with thinning. You people can't be satisfied with anything. all living things therein. Regarding the comment of logging being destructive to the environment is a really lame statement. There are no trees on these mountains so none of this conversation even applies down here. The problem is, they go way too far. the theory that there is something divine about lightening-caused fires as compared to
Groups like the Sierra Club like to pass slow (or no) growth measures, limiting the supply and driving up prices. of the ignorant and incompetent who claim to be the saviors of our environment. Suburban sprawl is mans doing, not natures and needs to be solved by intelligent management, rules and regulations, not be controlled by greed and profit as it now is, brought to you by your corporate world large land developers whos only interest is to make money. deliberately set by government agents get out of hand. What really looks strange tho, is the fact that the timber lines along the back of the homes appears untouched by fire. generation. Americans often torched brushy areas that Nature did not clean up in time. that all our forests, even the few remaining old growth forests that they claim they are
Library Group plan. I'm not standing on either side here. His scientific accomplishments are documented on a website, www.drbill.org . Had a Trump sign on him front lawn. them to healthy fire-tolerant condition for our future generationsinstead
City web site tries to explain. If it wasn't fires, it'd be some other reason, like preventing excessive shade or something. They now put the icicle plants back. forests, as the 1988 Yellowstone fire demonstrated. I think any scientist should take great offense to the
Defiant National Park
So he trys to change the natural process and as a result, screws up the environment, which in turn comes back to bite him. They have a future that is dependent on healthy forest's, and believe it or not they have children that will follow after them also.Regarding the website "pushback" being lumber friendly.. you could say yes it is.But if Dr. Wattenburg's intentions were self serving he would be pro-fire.He has a business that fights forest fires, and through his entire career he has been a champion of the environment.After all, he lives in the forest.To clarify an earlier point..The Sierra club has put practices in place that has led to the dangerous situation we are now in a casual read of this thread would lead someone to believe that I said that they are starting the fires, and that is not the case.. We do have brush fires here, but the terrain is much more accessible, and they are usually allowed to burn themselves out or they are able to reach and contain them much faster, even tho we usually have brisk SW wind blowing all year, except the months of dec-feb, when it begins to blow from the north. amounts of precious top soil is then washed away from hillsides before new root structure
From the first linked article that some chose not to read. These tree farms are not natural. They are diverting
that the massive number of dead trees in our western forests be removed and
For all his irritations and grunting, he was endearing too; go figure. and will survive a fire because it is not filled with brush and small trees that would provide a means for the fire to leap to the taller trees. What about his much publicized timber summit in Portland in 1994. They know that all our forests, even the few
Bill Wattenburg American engineer dead at age 82 Bill Wattenburg American engineer Died on Tuesday August 7th 2018 View other recent people: Commander Tom, Ancelin Roseti, Yuri Shatunov Click here to say your final goodbye Tweets related to Bill Wattenburg: with sensible thinning and firebreak construction like the Quincy Library Plan. How romantic, Im sure Paul Bunion will be looking for a job soon. not removing the big trees, just as nature once did with natural forest fires. saved both the Yellowstone and Florida forests. The tens of millions of dollars given to them by the Dept. [This message has been edited by fierobear (edited 10-28-2003). Dr. Bill Wattenburg uses his unbelievably vast scientific knowledge to share with his audience simple solutions to complex problems. eventually happen in all of our forested areas unless we mount a national
When our forests were in fire equilibrium, frequent
This was mother natures way of cleaning house
On the show, he answered questions about science, talked about politics, current events, and discussed some of his ideas. [18] They had two daughters; Wattenburg also had three children from a previous marriage.[18]. [3] His scientific talent was discovered by a teacher, who encouraged him to apply to several schools, including the University of California, Berkeley where he completed his first year with honors. October 12, 1999 (with edits on November 7, 2001). Make sure that cities cannot expand and build more housing where the jobs are. to be the preservation of our natural resources. small trees. On his show, Wattenburg answered questions about everything from car repairs to physics and . August 9, 2018. Here in Iowa, the environment is horrible due to farm herbicide/pesticide runoff and large corporate hog lots with relaxed pollution regulations. Nevertheless, officials in charge of our national parks and forests actually
Ive been trucking for 35 years and in the 80s & 90s I ran CA to OR and KGO radio would come in all up and down the west coast clear at night. He had made campaign promises so he had to do something. Copyright (c) 1999, C. Pennock Bill Wattenburg, a former nuclear weapons designer at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory who hosted a popular late-night show on KGO radio for 39 years, has died of cancer at age 82. the President praised the plan as an example of what he wanted when he asked for
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A natural forest may do better in some respects, but all those older trees that die are the fuel that's helping this fire spread, well, like wildfire, if you will. models predicted would never happen (as happened in the Lassen National Forest
But many self-proclaimed ecologists in high academic and government positions actively promote a policy of "let forest fires ordered that hundreds of lightening fires be allowed to rage unchecked during
6 days ago 6 days ago. Those who know the environment best -- the scientists who devote their careers to it -- say environmental groups often twist fact into fantasy to serve their agendas. Last week he was owned by someone else. its once rich ecology is a ghastly example of horrible judgment that the let
inappropriately applying their let forest fires burn dogma. rationalize what its National Park Service dogma of let fires burn
Beside the point. scarce government research funds). forest fires burn promoters are still trying to rationalize
and in order for a forest to work in harmony with nature it has to be natural, including all of the growth that may be there as it occured naturally. excessive numbers of small trees. have not told the public or the press that most western lumber mills have
But they, the self-styled environmentalists, are quite willing to watch
their funding agencies. F**k everyone with more money than me? [This message has been edited by JazzMan (edited 10-28-2003).]. Unfortunately, a fire storm is what usually happens in forest fires during peak fire
based on unforgivable ignorance of the consequences of inappropriately applying
forested areas that deserve to be burnedas the let fires burn religion
The cruel irony is that any camper who lets an uncontrolled campfire burn even a few
Rest in Radio paradise Dr. we will miss you! It was formulated by
I heard he had a show on a Santa Cruz station in recent years, if anyone knows where I could find podcasts of those shows I would be immensely gratfeul. Some of his recurring topics were whether premium gasoline was worthwhile, nuclear power, and criticism of the environmental movement. entire forest become fire breaks because they have been returned to fire
In the early 1970s, Wattenburg was an inventor and physics professor at UC-Berkeley whose life took an interesting turn when he authored a best-selling book on sex, How to Find and Fascinate a Mistress, under the pen name Will Harvey. Al Gore appeared at Lake Tahoe in 1999 to announce the spending of a
I think it's important that some of our old growth forest should be preserved, they a greater tourism attraction than say a bunch of small elm or what have you. Yellowstone forests in 1988. They were areas that are hard to access. They are a natural occurrence and are somewhat beneficial to the environment. Any thinking person can easily understand and respect the vast difference
strike. Your arguement is really lame. Also certain aminmals might find it difficult to servive in small growth forests. debris, and thickets of small trees on the forest floors. Interior Department has spent more money in the last ten years to
Advertisements for his show often referred to him as "The Smartest Man in the World. load creates intensely hot forest fires that ignite the big trees and destroy
Forest
You demonize Bush because he and those who influence him have big businesses and money. Herger-Feinstein Quincy Library Group Forest Recovery Act). However, after signing the bill, there were soon indications
Wattenburg made brief appearances in three Clint Eastwood films: The Dead Pool (Nolan Kennard), Pink Cadillac (pit boss), and True Crime (radio reporter). I had the honor of speaking with Dr. Bill twice, providing him some information on coal mine fires from my experience with the industry. were fire-tolerant. The full article was sent in 1999 to all government agencies managing our forests. agency that deliberately incinerated 320,000 hectares of our most beautiful national park
themselves whether what was done in 1988 by park officials was an act of divine
Mans problem is that he wants the trees and forest right next to his habitat but doesnt want nature to take its course. When our forests were in fire
Its chief scientist is Wattenburg, the physicist, best- selling sex book author and top-rated talk show host who has offered common- sense solutions to complex problems for 30 years. everything else in the forest. 1 in the ratings in 11 states. The Sierra Club officially insists that all human activity
Service by Publication In the 1980s Wattenburg set up his own gold mining corporation, "Wattexco". Eventually, the entire forest becomes a fire break because it has
I learned a lot of sciences and physics and yes his generally proud conservative American values. in our forests is bad. deserve to be burnedas the let fires burn religion seems to
Man should live in harmony with nature, not try to control it or destroy it. The Fan Fire ballooned to cover about 1,800 acres by July 2, but then slowed. Foundation, California State University Chico (Chico, CA 95929). I don't have a problem with logging as long as it's regulated. Man stopped most natural forest fires a hundred years ago. The problem is, they go way too far. Man stopped most natural forest fires a hundred years ago. seems to believe. who have seen the consequences consider this blanket policy to be grossly irresponsible,
(Bill Clinton and
unnatural forest fires or at least limit their extent during peak fire season. . But much of it is not actually used to protect the environment. Offering expert fire sprinkler, alarm, & extinguisher services. The logged forest is the one most appealing to wildlife. To protect our national forests and parks until they can be returned to fire
national campaign to clean up our forests and return them to fire safe conditions. I've even heard rumors that terrorists are behind it. Then he put six or eight more bulldozers in the trench to push the dirt down the trench to the canyon a half-mile below.' You? Learn how and when to remove this template message, "Longtime KGO radio host and scientist Bill Wattenburg dead at 82", "CHRONICLE PROFILE / Bill Wattenburg / Radio host keeps creative lines open / Inventor, best-selling author creates simple solutions to complex problems", "Bill Wattenburg's Background: BART Bay Area Rapid Transit System", "2. I was just watching Hardball and they showed a picture of Hillary "NOT - wink wink - running for President" with someone behind her holding a "Sierra Club" sign. Nature is logical. So let's stop reaching to both extremes just to argue on a forum. There is not a shred of evidence that mother
He was Trump supporter. I spoke to him a few times for advice and he was always correct in his assistance. national forests. The taxpayers must now pay to remove them. small trees on the forest floors. limited in area by the surrounding fire breaks. forest floor, not removing the big trees, just as nature once did with natural forest
What's that you say, just tell them to move to the big city? I've seen several pictures the last few days, showing complete subdivisions burned down. resource for our economy also provides the money to clean our forests and return
Neither is the Sierra Club responsible for these fires. Where does it say that? So, in the interest of allowing nature to take its course, why would we supress wildfires? It used to surprise me that people repeated the same mistakes made in history. fires or at least limit their extent during peak fire season. I remember he kept warning us that the Sierra Club policies were going to cause huge forest fires, massive forest fires and lookhe was right! by Dr. Bill Wattenburg August 18, 1998 A major focus of the environmental movement and ecology studies is supposed to be the preservation of our natural resources. these forests. That is not the case today, as described below. take a look at the forest of blackened carcasses and scorched landscape that
In other words, some trees cannot reproduce without a fire. did to Yellowstone in 1988 than would have been required to first construct
compromise, not confrontation over the issue of managing our national forests. [This message has been edited by Slater_334 (edited 10-30-2003).]. He was on the fire himself four hours later." Wattenburg keeps two large bulldozers specially equipped for fire fighting at his ranch in northern California. Massive
Only a fraction of the local news stories covered by the Daily Post appear on this website. nature provided the first spark? fall of 1998. Demonizing developers is a cop-out. After all, this so called overgrowth is habitat for many creatures that would not have it if it was removed. and build firebreaks, will lead to the cutting of all the trees. DR. BILL WATTENBURG. natural fires periodically burned the brush, debris, and excessive numbers of
implementation of the law, as it soon did [see letter
Melanie Fullman - US Forest Service Honor Guard, WY Ian Valley - US Forest Service, ID Martie Hale - CIIMT4- US Forest Service, CA Bill Arsenault, ID Mitzi Classay - "In Loving Memory of Deon Classay" Sasha Ernst - NPS Cumberland Gap Wildland Fire Module Darren Holt - Digby's Fire Support, Visalia, CA burn promoters are still trying to rationalize (with tens of millions of dollars of
Typical drive-by comment! Bill Wattenburg, a former nuclear weapons designer at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory who hosted a popular late-night show on KGO radio for 39 years, has died of cancer at age 82. Nobody wants to address this problem-and it is a problem. Man hasn't had a problem with it until he decided to start building in forested lands. MZ is joined by Dr Eric Wattenburg and Dr Joel Wallach to discuss the cause of the record number of forest fires that are ravaging California this year.Micha. Nobody good enough to fill your shoes. burn, or setting fires during high fire season with the present incendiary
The land grows as it does naturally, as it should be, not through mans idea of what it should or should not produce regarding the natural plants density per given area. which are totally incinerated once a fire rages through them. surrounding fire breaks. environmentalists, are quite willing to watch these same forests go up in smoke! Ya'll give it a break. If a fire does start in the privately held forests, it is rare that any catastrophic fire ever starts. To characterize "liberals and environmentalists" as the cause of the fires is a really lame statement. Service bureaucrats, humming their religious let it burn mantra,
They border on (or exceed) radical. They advocate
without doing the damage that old methods (lots of roads for trucks, dragging bundles of logs with bulldozers) cause. It takes periods of time longer than since Columbus first set foot on this continent for forest ecologies to mature and stabilize. Yet another delusional pipedream for you to hope for. The opposition groups and officials who call themselves environmentalists
I also worked the fire in Oakland in a vain attempt to save a friends house. burns during high fire season to make up for Natures negligence. It certainly does no more damage to the land and especially the environment than these fires. The enviroloonies want to limit cities' growth, and build only high-density housing. He advocated for nuclear energy, criticized the Sierra Club and argued that the failure to clear the high country of underbrush would lead to massive wildfires. Dr. Bill was one of my favorite people to listen to period. firefighters to extinguish lightening fires. You are already missed Dr. Bill! How to Reach Dr. Bill Wattenburg; Call-in numbers for radio program: (10:00pm to 1:am Saturday and Sunday nights) (408) 808-0810 (415) 808-0810 (510) 808-0810 (650) Pacific Bell screwed up, and forgot to create this prefix in the new area code. the most dangerous fire season in decades. In 2011, management flipped KGO from news talk to all news (a format change that flopped in the ratings) and Wattenburg lost his job along with hosts Gene burns, Gil Gross, Len Tillem, John Rothmann and others. Same bunch of dopes have caused global warming since the end of ice age to be worse thanks to burning coal instead of nuke power. No garage to work on your car, no yard, virtually no peace or privacy? fires that ignite the big trees and destroy every living thing in the forest. If we let nature take it's course, there would be no rivers with dams making power, not California aquaduct delivering water all over this state.. Lots of our daily things that we have become used to would exist. This area is sandy dirt, rock, brush and an occasional oasis of trees. Instead, it is siphoned off to pay for bureaucratic overhead and fund raising, including expensive direct-mail and telemarketing consultants.
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